Really enjoying this show from TS please dont be so quick to drop it. These things take consistency and time. Now the shows matured into its format I really think you need a "3rd" guest slot. 20 mins with so and so or what have you. Can be a video call or whatever as and where you can. Or a recurring slot with an antagonist of sorts, everythings to nice and agreeable right now. Theres a reason you got Souness on White and Jordan and it wasnt his choice of trainers. My only real issue with the show is its primarily posted on a video serving platorm yet serves as nothing more than a camera in a recording booth. Further additions in post could be made to enhance the viewing experience. Most go with adding overlays or VTs added in post but I find this jarring as the presenters arnt always aware of such cuts in the medium. My approach for a show like this would be to move the topics overlay onto a interactable monitor between the both of you that can be used to present infomation to the viewing audience. However the logistics of BT, Sky, DAZN, Queensbury and the like licensing could be an issue. Although I think youll be fine under fair use. I have a feeling this is by design, being that its easily moved between, podcast, radio, TS app and video formats. If that is the case, perhaps rename the viewer Q&A to listener Q&A.
This is the most honest and entertaining broadcast on boxing available today. Unfortunately, from the discussions so far it is becoming clear that boxing is infested with corruption at every level. I thought there was only one Don King. Turns out his DNA is all over UK boxing.
I used to think Simon was just a Fury fanboy, but I've really warmed to him. He's been fantastic during the World Cup & I love how he says exactly what he thinks. Probably why he clashes with Piers Norgan so much, similar characters. Simon would make a great boxing promoter.
I realy enjoy listening to these two talk boxing. As a fellow Barnet boy who remembers Spencer as a fighter and what happened to him in the ring it's fantastic to listen to him talk so coherently about the sport he obviously loves. Jordan knows his boxing so this double act realy works.
Few questions for next weeks show; - Daniel Kinahans influence in boxing before and now. Probellum. MTK etc. Boxers and promoters have been given an easy ride on this. - the impact Dazn has had on British Boxing. I have no doubt if Matchroom were still with Sky the content and boxing on tv would be much better. Are Dazn good for boxing?
Great show. Can someone please answer me this question, if Dubois WBA title was on the line why was he not counted as a TKO under the WBA three knockdown rule?
I think Fury could have 3 more fights and retire and go down as a top 3 heavyweight of all time if not the greatest (if he wins them all). 1. Usyk (unification) 2. Joyce 3. Joshua
they have highlighted a problem very common but that shouldnt exist in this digital age.....the timing of rounds! i watch a lot of old mega fights and its amazing how often this goes on at the very highest level.after the confusionafter liston ali2 youd thinkit could never happen again! foreman v lyle had a round called a minute early and again seeing how simple it is youd wonder it ever happening again! yet fights have been won by landing well after the round ended due to no bell or shortened .surely in the age of atomic clocks digitalisation so we all via pc or phone have exactly the precise time it cant be that hard to apply it to boxing! imagine ussain bolt at the olympics running the 100 meters and then being denied a world record because the watch at the start differed to the watch at the finish and although they hadnt watched the race the ioc claim the time shown by tv is somehow different to that of their timekeepers! its a simple problem easy to solve that in practice should never happen but sadly it does and british boxings authority seem not to want to do anything about it!
Daniel Dubois went down on one knee of his own fruition for the second and third knockdowns. Dubois had survived the majority of that round after the first real knockdown I see no reason why he couldn't have survived and made it through the last 9 seconds of round 1!
Another great show. Question for Simon & Spencer: Why are most of the current top heavyweights British, and is this likely to continue for many more years? - Andy
There is no way on this earth Fury fighting 3 times next year, especially if he's supposedly got an injured elbow or whatever.. he will fight once in the spring/summer and again in December if you're lucky.
go and watch fury chisora back again... it could easily have been stopped in round 2... actually it probably should have. it went on so long because it was a very expensive PPV event and they didn't want it to be a farce. but leaving it so long it became even more of a farce. i love derek but its time to go. nobody beats fury.
I think the guy in the amateurs that beat Khan to the gold was mario kindelan a Cuban legend if I remember rightly Khan then beat him afterwards? Great show possibly my favourite boxing chat on ESclips. Just don’t be skipping a week next time haha. Keep up the good work lads 🥊
Yes khan won the rematch and it stunk of a fix kindalan didn't even turn up. There was a lot of rumours about that fight and the Cubans performance you have you believe them
Personally think if you wait for uysk and joyce while your giving aj chance to improve, fury declines, you don't get the best version. Once fury beats usyk, he has nothing left to prove, same situation as after the Klitschko fight
Love that you call out Fury wasting time for half a year then suddenly has extreme deadlines for two fighters who just fought. Usyk all the way at least he is a real fighter rather than being social media crybaby
Got to say after watching Jo Joyce last fight by f,k that boy can fight and most importantly can take a punch I'd be confident that if usyk doesn't beat fury I'd bet Joyce has the power and chin to beat fury I actually really like Jo hez a humble sound guy
I really don't get the obsession with AJ. He's lost 3/5 last fights. He needs to prove himself that he's at the level to fight Fury. Joyce is rightly above AJ now
AJ needs the Wilder fight. He might and probably will get knocked out cold but if he wins - it’ll push him straight to the top of the line to fight Fury after Usyk (whether Fury wins or not).
Love the show lads, Simon Jordan is superb... so is Spencer b4 simons head gets too big lol. Used to think he was a bellend but the guy speaks sense and i stand corrected!
Where do you think Naoya Inoue currently stands in your pound for pound rankings, I often thinks he gets overlooked as he doesn’t fight in the so called more glamorous weights?
Simon is like that guy whos new to boxing and is just coming to grips with the shambles we've all been used to seeing for years and years. Don't dance around the obvious, it's corrupt to the core. Dubois was obviously never going to be allowed to lose that fight.
Is Spencer not concerned about Joe Joyce speed (percieved lack of) if he fights Tyson Fury? Could it not turn into a death of a thousand cuts. By the way I would love to see this figjt
I’m not a DW fan but he wasn’t carried from round 2….to say Del Boy gave a better shot at it than DW did is ridiculous and seriously detracts from your credibility
The reasons why fans pay 27 quid is because they love the sport. That's why they get expoited. Boxing fans will but the PPV rather than put the heating on. Also you don't pay up front. It gets added to your contract If I had to give 27 quid on the night I would not do it. Fans mentally is they don't have to pay for over a month.
It was a fix ,, Dubois is a British level fighter at best !! We all know this to be an absolute fact ,, but I’m betting monies he fights for a world title this year !! Warren has far too much monies invested in him,, there isn’t a heavyweight out there who wouldn’t fancy beating Dubois.
Let's be honest. If there ever is a fight with Fury and AJ, it would be so one-sided in Fury's favour. It's not even a fight I would be looking forward to because it would be so easy.
Re the Dubois situation, I know this is such a taboo subject, but boxing is dangerous. You can't stop a fight every time someone might be concussed, this is the game. I know it's brutal but it's not a tea party is it. They did stop it too early though when Dubois had other lad hurt.
Chisora put up a better performance than whyte did . It's only because he took the punishment that people are saying this. If whyte hadn't been kod so easily would we be asking should whyte retire ?
Fury carried Derek from probably round 2 he cud have ended the fight at anytime so don't go on about Derek putting better performance on than dillian thats bullshit although dillian was rubbish in fury fighting
Whyte should retire. He’s looked terrible on his last fights. Him and chisora had the style of taking damage and slugging it out, so now they are older it’s hard to sustain
Derek has been finished for a long time to be honest, it was only the lucky punch win over takam that kept him going.. he should of retired back then. I think he's got a degree of brain damage already. Tyson fury is the best of his era he would piss all over AJ and he will beat usyk .Mark my words.
Prime means when you where at your best/peek. Age has fuck all to do with it and yes he was a completely different fighter at 28. ( his words not mine) he was never the same when custimado* his trainer died and king was on the seen. I don't think any off the fighters these days are near the all time greats. There is to many belts and to many ways for them all to duck each other. Fury would be the closest tho. Canelo fights anyone so he would be in.
damien mallon Holyfield beat him twice and buster Douglas? And don't try and tell me Mike Tyson prime is 18 and hes somehow worse fighter at 28 lol No fighter ever in history is worse at 28 than 18
No one beats a prime Mike Tyson. I love fury but he'd 👊 down all night. I think you loose power in your shots when you do that. MT had amazing head movement too and he was devastating springing from the legs for power. Just my opinion.
Simon and Spencer ...the shows Great but to make it even better you should allow more time at the end for the questions maybe at least 5 by the viewers to be answered....always look forward to your shows but always a little disappointed at the end with the Q and A time allotted
It's the only way to PROVE who's the best.. Put them all in the ring..and find out Joyce vs Fury vs Joshua!!! No opinions..just two guys squaring off with one winner
I agree with the previous comment about AJ. He will get knocked out by everyone of the top 10 of the heavyweights but fair play to him. He’s made mega millions unfortunately for him that’s his problem now he’s not hungry enough. by the way, he wants to thank his lucky stars that Tyson Fury had a mental breakdown after he won the title and stop fighting, because if he’ll never have had a breakdown, AJ would never of been world champion ever.
Not a massive aj fan but to say every top 10 heavyweight ko him is daft to say because he’s went 24 rounds with usyk who imo is the best about and is a full grown HW now
Joshua bottled the Wilder fight. Shelly Finkel couldn't believe they turned it down. It all could be different right now. He who dares Rodney!! He has done the same again money over belts
Antony Joshua is past it now he's not the same beast as he once was he changed hes style when he lose to Andy and it don't suit him and he only fights one fight a year not active
Really enjoying this show from TS please dont be so quick to drop it. These things take consistency and time.
Now the shows matured into its format I really think you need a "3rd" guest slot. 20 mins with so and so or what have you. Can be a video call or whatever as and where you can. Or a recurring slot with an antagonist of sorts, everythings to nice and agreeable right now. Theres a reason you got Souness on White and Jordan and it wasnt his choice of trainers.
My only real issue with the show is its primarily posted on a video serving platorm yet serves as nothing more than a camera in a recording booth. Further additions in post could be made to enhance the viewing experience.
Most go with adding overlays or VTs added in post but I find this jarring as the presenters arnt always aware of such cuts in the medium. My approach for a show like this would be to move the topics overlay onto a interactable monitor between the both of you that can be used to present infomation to the viewing audience.
However the logistics of BT, Sky, DAZN, Queensbury and the like licensing could be an issue. Although I think youll be fine under fair use.
I have a feeling this is by design, being that its easily moved between, podcast, radio, TS app and video formats. If that is the case, perhaps rename the viewer Q&A to listener Q&A.
Well said 👍🏻
This is the most honest and entertaining broadcast on boxing available today. Unfortunately, from the discussions so far it is becoming clear that boxing is infested with corruption at every level. I thought there was only one Don King. Turns out his DNA is all over UK boxing.
I used to think Simon was just a Fury fanboy, but I've really warmed to him. He's been fantastic during the World Cup & I love how he says exactly what he thinks. Probably why he clashes with Piers Norgan so much, similar characters. Simon would make a great boxing promoter.
Would like to hear him calling the fights on the official broadcasts.
@Jordan Holden Piers definitely. Almost feel sorry for him. Jordan sometimes seems like he's missing something, but then he rectifies his opinion.
@Tom Hart 🤣🤣
SIMON IS TOP MAN
He's smart on the business side, he would be a funny promoter
But i fear he would turn into all the rest of them, as he said the nature of the beast
Chisora's legs were dipping in round 2, Fury carried him in a serious way, that's what John was eluding to
I realy enjoy listening to these two talk boxing. As a fellow Barnet boy who remembers Spencer as a fighter and what happened to him in the ring it's fantastic to listen to him talk so coherently about the sport he obviously loves. Jordan knows his boxing so this double act realy works.
Great show love the content. Just read your book Simon really enjoyed it and the honesty. Looking forward to a great 2023 of boxing !!!
Few questions for next weeks show;
- Daniel Kinahans influence in boxing before and now. Probellum. MTK etc. Boxers and promoters have been given an easy ride on this.
- the impact Dazn has had on British Boxing. I have no doubt if Matchroom were still with Sky the content and boxing on tv would be much better. Are Dazn good for boxing?
There no chance question 1 is being asked! Its a legitimate question but there no way talk sport will bring this up.
Great show. Can someone please answer me this question, if Dubois WBA title was on the line why was he not counted as a TKO under the WBA three knockdown rule?
I think the BBBC can override the WBA.
Crazy, but I'm sure it's true.
The best Chisora was the one who fought Helanius and Vitali back to back that Derek would of been amazing to see peaking now!
I agree
They need to do this podcast in a studio, sounds not great this week . The conversation deserves it. Great show!!!
yeah, they must have got the builders in. or jim's on a bender.
Simon Jordan continues to impress me during his interviews. He talks alot of sense.
Spencer is the Ricky butcher of boxing…. Never questions Simon on anything
Joshua is irrelevant now. Fury would smash the hell out of anyone
Fury put a beatdown on Chisora that Usyk could barely manage.
I'd hate to see what Fury is about to do to Usyk, it'll be a total walkover.
Totally agree with that, it will be an easy win for Fury, people will be surprised at how easy it will be
Yep
😂
Usyk is soft
@Craig You do you my friend, I on the other hand will be putting on Fury inside 9.
Chisora was the Elite heavyweight gatekeeper. Not just the heavyweight gatekeeper, he was elite himself.
White is the new gate keeper
Exactly
It's not amateur hour Simon, it's professional corruption 🤷🏾♂️
Did well to fight through the drum kit 🤣 fantastic show, book a room not next door to a drum session please 🤣🤣🤣
Such a blatantly fixed fight, but fair play to Dubois for having the boxing nuance to take the knee in the first round, instead of taking shots.
Dubois reminds me of Price. He'll walk through the lesser opposition with his power, but he'll never get near a genuine world title
Simon boxing needs you bud!! Love the honesty 😎
I think Fury could have 3 more fights and retire and go down as a top 3 heavyweight of all time if not the greatest (if he wins them all).
1. Usyk (unification)
2. Joyce
3. Joshua
they have highlighted a problem very common but that shouldnt exist in this digital age.....the timing of rounds! i watch a lot of old mega fights and its amazing how often this goes on at the very highest level.after the confusionafter liston ali2 youd thinkit could never happen again! foreman v lyle had a round called a minute early and again seeing how simple it is youd wonder it ever happening again! yet fights have been won by landing well after the round ended due to no bell or shortened .surely in the age of atomic clocks digitalisation so we all via pc or phone have exactly the precise time it cant be that hard to apply it to boxing! imagine ussain bolt at the olympics running the 100 meters and then being denied a world record because the watch at the start differed to the watch at the finish and although they hadnt watched the race the ioc claim the time shown by tv is somehow different to that of their timekeepers! its a simple problem easy to solve that in practice should never happen but sadly it does and british boxings authority seem not to want to do anything about it!
Daniel Dubois went down on one knee of his own fruition for the second and third knockdowns. Dubois had survived the majority of that round after the first real knockdown I see no reason why he couldn't have survived and made it through the last 9 seconds of round 1!
Another great show. Question for Simon & Spencer: Why are most of the current top heavyweights British, and is this likely to continue for many more years? - Andy
Because we rule the world
There is no way on this earth Fury fighting 3 times next year, especially if he's supposedly got an injured elbow or whatever.. he will fight once in the spring/summer and again in December if you're lucky.
Great show as always lads
in terms of duboius i thought it was maybe a ankle problem
go and watch fury chisora back again... it could easily have been stopped in round 2... actually it probably should have.
it went on so long because it was a very expensive PPV event and they didn't want it to be a farce.
but leaving it so long it became even more of a farce.
i love derek but its time to go.
nobody beats fury.
Chisora has the best career for a fighter to have never won a world title.
Top show lads, thank you.
AJ knows Fury beats him so why would he fight him to take another o on his record.
I think the guy in the amateurs that beat Khan to the gold was mario kindelan a Cuban legend if I remember rightly Khan then beat him afterwards? Great show possibly my favourite boxing chat on ESclips. Just don’t be skipping a week next time haha. Keep up the good work lads 🥊
Yes khan won the rematch and it stunk of a fix kindalan didn't even turn up. There was a lot of rumours about that fight and the Cubans performance you have you believe them
yeah, kindelan. trust me i lost £50 on khan.
Would’ve liked to hear your views on the josh Kelly Troy Williamson fight
Personally think if you wait for uysk and joyce while your giving aj chance to improve, fury declines, you don't get the best version. Once fury beats usyk, he has nothing left to prove, same situation as after the Klitschko fight
You’d hate to see AJ improve and KO Tyson ‘great white hope’ Fury 🤣
Love that you call out Fury wasting time for half a year then suddenly has extreme deadlines for two fighters who just fought. Usyk all the way at least he is a real fighter rather than being social media crybaby
Got to say after watching Jo Joyce last fight by f,k that boy can fight and most importantly can take a punch I'd be confident that if usyk doesn't beat fury I'd bet Joyce has the power and chin to beat fury I actually really like Jo hez a humble sound guy
I really don't get the obsession with AJ. He's lost 3/5 last fights.
He needs to prove himself that he's at the level to fight Fury.
Joyce is rightly above AJ now
Had there not been four world titles available !! None of those mentioned outside of Fury would have been a world champion ?
AJ needs the Wilder fight. He might and probably will get knocked out cold but if he wins - it’ll push him straight to the top of the line to fight Fury after Usyk (whether Fury wins or not).
DDD will never be another Dell Boy, more like another David Price.
Love the show lads, Simon Jordan is superb... so is Spencer b4 simons head gets too big lol. Used to think he was a bellend but the guy speaks sense and i stand corrected!
Simon for PM, Spence for chancellor
@LFC Spectre LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
J = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Joyce a harder fight than USYK 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡👌🏻
We've seen the real AJ
His found his level
A top 5 fighter
Wouldn’t even be in the club if he was taking it that serious
Where do you think Naoya Inoue currently stands in your pound for pound rankings, I often thinks he gets overlooked as he doesn’t fight in the so called more glamorous weights?
Simon is like that guy whos new to boxing and is just coming to grips with the shambles we've all been used to seeing for years and years.
Don't dance around the obvious, it's corrupt to the core. Dubois was obviously never going to be allowed to lose that fight.
Oliver is daft, forgetting rematch clause. I think usyk twice
I'd love to usyk fight wilder.
Great show 👏
Is Spencer not concerned about Joe Joyce speed (percieved lack of) if he fights Tyson Fury? Could it not turn into a death of a thousand cuts.
By the way I would love to see this figjt
This is a cult classic 👌🏻
I'm getting fixated on Simons ring, it's a beautiful piece 🤣🤣🤣
If you want a Battle of Britain go for fury v Joyce.
Forget about aj he’s know one
So Simon what’s the latest in your possible involvement in boxing 🥊?
SJ is a fair and legitimate human, he is so equal and fair in his opinion. At no point will AJ ever cause Fury and trouble in the four squared circle.
AJ has a level and that's just above a worn out Pulev so top 10 at most
Great content, nice chemistry. Only complaint is that drum kit in the background.
I’m not a DW fan but he wasn’t carried from round 2….to say Del Boy gave a better shot at it than DW did is ridiculous and seriously detracts from your credibility
Joshua is not elite though.
He's had an amazing career for his limited ability.
If I was Eddie Hearn I'd keep AJ away from Fury.
Spencer really bows down to Jordan since he got ripped for licking AJ backside after Usyk loss!!!
Sounds like someone is having a drum lesson in the next room 😂
Question..Craig...please discuss jack Johnson.. absolute legend
Wallin is not a tune up, Fury went life and death with him
I think he could beat AJ. He is damaged goods
Who ever Tyson fights will end up looking like delboy .. Fury is leaps ahead… The only person who beats Tyson is himself…
The reasons why fans pay 27 quid is because they love the sport. That's why they get expoited. Boxing fans will but the PPV rather than put the heating on. Also you don't pay up front. It gets added to your contract
If I had to give 27 quid on the night I would not do it. Fans mentally is they don't have to pay for over a month.
What's Joshua a fighter or a Business man?????
Surely you go straight in and fight Fury.
One or two fights left for chisora
Won't there be a rematch clause between usyk fury joyce will be waiting till next December at best
It was a fix ,, Dubois is a British level fighter at best !! We all know this to be an absolute fact ,, but I’m betting monies he fights for a world title this year !! Warren has far too much monies invested in him,, there isn’t a heavyweight out there who wouldn’t fancy beating Dubois.
Let's be honest. If there ever is a fight with Fury and AJ, it would be so one-sided in Fury's favour. It's not even a fight I would be looking forward to because it would be so easy.
Re the Dubois situation, I know this is such a taboo subject, but boxing is dangerous. You can't stop a fight every time someone might be concussed, this is the game. I know it's brutal but it's not a tea party is it. They did stop it too early though when Dubois had other lad hurt.
Chisora put up a better performance than whyte did . It's only because he took the punishment that people are saying this. If whyte hadn't been kod so easily would we be asking should whyte retire ?
Fury carried Derek from probably round 2 he cud have ended the fight at anytime so don't go on about Derek putting better performance on than dillian thats bullshit although dillian was rubbish in fury fighting
Whyte should retire. He’s looked terrible on his last fights. Him and chisora had the style of taking damage and slugging it out, so now they are older it’s hard to sustain
Wilder Fury 4 love it
“Their belief system will have to evolve over a period of time “ … WHAT A TOOL !!
All the talk about fury fighting 10 15 times next year the champion can't fight that many times in a year
Derek has been finished for a long time to be honest, it was only the lucky punch win over takam that kept him going.. he should of retired back then. I think he's got a degree of brain damage already. Tyson fury is the best of his era he would piss all over AJ and he will beat usyk .Mark my words.
Can see fury Usyk in March and the rematch in December, then last fight against Joshua sometime in 2024 then retire
I recall Tyson saying he wants to give Derek a big payday before he retires.
Question:
Does Fury beat a prime Mike Tyson? Where does he rank in all time greats
Prime means when you where at your best/peek. Age has fuck all to do with it and yes he was a completely different fighter at 28. ( his words not mine) he was never the same when custimado* his trainer died and king was on the seen. I don't think any off the fighters these days are near the all time greats. There is to many belts and to many ways for them all to duck each other. Fury would be the closest tho. Canelo fights anyone so he would be in.
damien mallon Holyfield beat him twice and buster Douglas?
And don't try and tell me Mike Tyson prime is 18 and hes somehow worse fighter at 28 lol
No fighter ever in history is worse at 28 than 18
No one beats a prime Mike Tyson. I love fury but he'd 👊 down all night. I think you loose power in your shots when you do that. MT had amazing head movement too and he was devastating springing from the legs for power. Just my opinion.
This conversation was WAY better than the drumming in the background! 😂
I’m at work thought it was my machine😂
Frampton had a court case with mcguigan...it was personal against them..lennox said absolutely no u don't pull him out
Didn't Jordan say he wasn't going to watch it?
How many times is Fury going to retire?
AJ is yesterday's man...Better fighters have now emerged in heavyweight division...Usyk, Joyce are now ahead of him.
Simon and Spencer ...the shows Great but to make it even better you should allow more time at the end for the questions maybe at least 5 by the viewers to be answered....always look forward to your shows but always a little disappointed at the end with the Q and A time allotted
GET UP TYSON
Another banger spitting straight facts.
I think Joyce is good but taylor made for fury big unit but usyk gives fury more problems but fury wins both
i've ignored the poor sound quality because this is kino content
Aj is finished it would be a better for aj to lose to joyce first so I could be 2 undefeated brittish heavyweights go at it
Simon = Top Lad Proper Clobber 👌 👏
Simon and Mark = Top LADS Proper Clobber
It's the only way to PROVE who's the best..
Put them all in the ring..and find out
Joyce vs Fury vs Joshua!!!
No opinions..just two guys squaring off with one winner
I agree with the previous comment about AJ. He will get knocked out by everyone of the top 10 of the heavyweights but fair play to him. He’s made mega millions unfortunately for him that’s his problem now he’s not hungry enough. by the way, he wants to thank his lucky stars that Tyson Fury had a mental breakdown after he won the title and stop fighting, because if he’ll never have had a breakdown, AJ would never of been world champion ever.
Usyk beats them all end of discussion
Not a massive aj fan but to say every top 10 heavyweight ko him is daft to say because he’s went 24 rounds with usyk who imo is the best about and is a full grown HW now
Same shit happened with usyk Joshua 1
Joshua bottled the Wilder fight.
Shelly Finkel couldn't believe they turned it down.
It all could be different right now.
He who dares Rodney!!
He has done the same again
money over belts
Mario Kindelan, Spencer come on mate 😂
Spencer is embarrassing 🤦🏻♂️🤡
Come on Simon really do you really think Joshua will come back …?
Joshua is gone
Rent-free still. You are obsessed.
Antony Joshua is past it now he's not the same beast as he once was he changed hes style when he lose to Andy and it don't suit him and he only fights one fight a year not active